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	<title>Comments on: The comprehensive guide to upgrading – or replacing – Twitter</title>
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	<description>Understanding technology ... in both senses of the phrase</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Text Technologies &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-38437</link>
		<dc:creator>Text Technologies &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Twitter&#8217;s case, a mass-successful form will necessarily look utterly different from what exists today.  Techie early-adopters are not going to recruit a critical mass of users into a system that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Twitter&#8217;s case, a mass-successful form will necessarily look utterly different from what exists today.  Techie early-adopters are not going to recruit a critical mass of users into a system that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DBMS2 &#8212; DataBase Management System Services &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Twitter weirdness</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-38422</link>
		<dc:creator>DBMS2 &#8212; DataBase Management System Services &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Twitter weirdness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Twitter commonly has the problem of duplicate tweets. That is, if you post a message, it shows up twice. After a little while, the dupe disappears, but if you delete the dupe manually, the original is gone too. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Twitter commonly has the problem of duplicate tweets. That is, if you post a message, it shows up twice. After a little while, the dupe disappears, but if you delete the dupe manually, the original is gone too. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More Twitter weirdness : e-Spot.se</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-36060</link>
		<dc:creator>More Twitter weirdness : e-Spot.se</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mars 2008  Twitter commonly has the problem of duplicate tweets. That is, if you post a message, it shows up twice. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-33383</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sergey,

If you send things to a group of 30 people, or receive them from a group of 50, and you change who those groups are from hour to hour or message to message, where is that filtering going to be enforced?  The UI can work on your Blackberry or iPhone, but will the logic work there too?  I don't think so; you have to go to a server.  Could that server be your personal choice of "parent" server for your clients? I guess so. I also must confess that there's an inevitable element of distribution once enterprises start messaging behind their firewalls, yet wanting to connect to the outside world, and I haven't really thought that aspect through.

But I still think the idea of writing messages to disk before sending them onward is just braindead.  Send them first, THEN persist them quickly, but without allowing that persistence to be a bottleneck.  XMPP doesn't obviate the need for CEP, any more than CEP would replace XMPP.

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey,</p>
<p>If you send things to a group of 30 people, or receive them from a group of 50, and you change who those groups are from hour to hour or message to message, where is that filtering going to be enforced?  The UI can work on your Blackberry or iPhone, but will the logic work there too?  I don&#8217;t think so; you have to go to a server.  Could that server be your personal choice of &#8220;parent&#8221; server for your clients? I guess so. I also must confess that there&#8217;s an inevitable element of distribution once enterprises start messaging behind their firewalls, yet wanting to connect to the outside world, and I haven&#8217;t really thought that aspect through.</p>
<p>But I still think the idea of writing messages to disk before sending them onward is just braindead.  Send them first, THEN persist them quickly, but without allowing that persistence to be a bottleneck.  XMPP doesn&#8217;t obviate the need for CEP, any more than CEP would replace XMPP.</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-33350</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, maybe it's my misunderstanding, but XMPP is more about routing messages than a global bus. With Publish-Subscribe Extensions it already has the core functionality of Twitter. It's also  proven to be scalable. One can pretty much reimplement Twitter on top of existing infrastructure without any problem. I have to admit that I don't use Twitter myself, so maybe I'm missing some feature that doesn't project itself too well onto existing Jabber network?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, maybe it&#8217;s my misunderstanding, but XMPP is more about routing messages than a global bus. With Publish-Subscribe Extensions it already has the core functionality of Twitter. It&#8217;s also  proven to be scalable. One can pretty much reimplement Twitter on top of existing infrastructure without any problem. I have to admit that I don&#8217;t use Twitter myself, so maybe I&#8217;m missing some feature that doesn&#8217;t project itself too well onto existing Jabber network?</p>
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		<title>By: Text Technologies&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Enterprise Twitter</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-33301</link>
		<dc:creator>Text Technologies&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Enterprise Twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] long discussion Saturday of how to evolve (or replace) Twitter included a short discussion of what might be called Enterprise Twitter. Dennis Howlett just alerted [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] long discussion Saturday of how to evolve (or replace) Twitter included a short discussion of what might be called Enterprise Twitter. Dennis Howlett just alerted [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-33232</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Community-oriented software often doesn't scale in pleasant usability as usage grows.  I'm trying to figure out how Twitter can be an exception.

This is related to the questions about how to make it scale technically, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Community-oriented software often doesn&#8217;t scale in pleasant usability as usage grows.  I&#8217;m trying to figure out how Twitter can be an exception.</p>
<p>This is related to the questions about how to make it scale technically, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: UJ</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-33225</link>
		<dc:creator>UJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you've turned Twitter into a whole other application, into a blog almost. 140 characters isn't supposed to be "cute," it's the whole freakin paradigm!

My suggestion is that if you want those features, try Wordpress. Twitter is something else. Applications can't be everything to everyone. Ask Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve turned Twitter into a whole other application, into a blog almost. 140 characters isn&#8217;t supposed to be &#8220;cute,&#8221; it&#8217;s the whole freakin paradigm!</p>
<p>My suggestion is that if you want those features, try Wordpress. Twitter is something else. Applications can&#8217;t be everything to everyone. Ask Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-33191</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sergey,

I think scaling discussions have to start with functionality and data query infrastructure. 

I don't think those problems are apt to be solved by any kind of global message bus in which every message whizzes by and you only pick out the ones you want.  Rather, I think there has to be a central server (suitably replicated, etc., but logically central) that only sends you the messages you actually asked for, or at most a SMALL superset of those.

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey,</p>
<p>I think scaling discussions have to start with functionality and data query infrastructure. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think those problems are apt to be solved by any kind of global message bus in which every message whizzes by and you only pick out the ones you want.  Rather, I think there has to be a central server (suitably replicated, etc., but logically central) that only sends you the messages you actually asked for, or at most a SMALL superset of those.</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Sergey</title>
		<link>http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/09/scalable-twitter/#comment-33178</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think it would be a good idea to build on XMPP and its pubsub extensions, but I don't think that will happen -- there's not enough wheel reinventing to be done there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think it would be a good idea to build on XMPP and its pubsub extensions, but I don&#8217;t think that will happen &#8212; there&#8217;s not enough wheel reinventing to be done there.</p>
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